It’s impossible even for a very educated brain to understand why it is legal to let all these people cross the border illegally yet it is illegal to return them to their countries.
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It’s impossible even for a very educated brain to understand why it is legal to let all these people cross the border illegally yet it is illegal to return them to their countries.
Clarissa's Blog 
Time to do an Andrew Jackson. “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it”.
Remember, there is no Constitutional Crisis when a dem president ignores the supreme court.
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I’m trying to understand the logic and failing. They are in the country illegally. Why are any decisions by the judiciary necessary at all? What is the principle by which this becomes an issue for the judges? Most importantly, what is it the Supreme Court of? If there’s no match thing as a country, there can’t be a Supreme Court of that non-existent entity. SCOTUS, thus, has declared its own non-existence.
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This is insanity.
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I take back all my criticisms about Trump not deporting enough in the first term. I had no idea it was this impossible to deport. The depths of corruption were unknown to me.
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First term Trump was new to DC and did not even know which levers of power to push. Do you remember right after winning the election he went on a victory lap tour of the country? Literally the most important time when you make staffing decisions in the new administration, strategize on how to operationalize your policies, and this guy was out doing rallies haha. Personnel is policy, ya know. To be fair, even he wasn’t expecting to win so there was no thought given to next steps. By contrast, Hillary had all her staffing decisions sorted out months before the election.
This time he came in with a plan.
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“You can keep your due process once we’ve imported enough dependent voters to maintain a permanent supermajority.”
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First off, I support a stricter approach to immigration. But I do think there is a danger in having absolutely no legal process before deportation. If there is no process, then it is really just federal officers deciding who to deport and there is no way to catch any mistakes. With no process, if they decide to deport legal immigrants, green card holders, naturalized citizens, or even natural born citizens those people could legally be deported with no opportunity to prove their status. Do we really want to just trust that officers will make absolutely zero mistakes?
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There was no legal process before bringing all these people in. Housing, feeding, providing schooling and medical care. Without a process, there was no way to ensure that people who were brought in aren’t criminals, gangsters, human traffickers, cartel members, pedophiles. If there’s no process before bringing people in, why should there be a process to bring them out?
My position was always that the process should take place before anybody comes in. But now that we have 20-30 million in the country illegally, how is it possible to provide a legal process for every one of them? Should the entire population of the planet be able to come in illegally and then expect a legal process to be removed?
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Your “answer” did not address his concerns in any way. We definitely don’t want to give any rando government official the power to just deport anybody willy nilly. Two wrongs don’t make a right here.
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Once again, he’s had multiple immigration hearings before a judge, spanning multiple years. If this sounds like deporting someone “willy nilly” you’re simply operating in bad faith.
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I love how we always get stuck having to prove and prove and prove obvious things. And no proof is ever enough. Look at the endless effort to prove that men are not women.
The other side never has to prove its lunatic statements. The police are all racists. Being in a gang is not a crime. Masks prevent viral infection. You can be neither a man nor a woman. And we have to get boggled in endless debates over obvious things. Every single time.
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This is literally the process one is entitled to. Libs have masterfully conflated “due process” with a jury trial. That’s not how any of this works.
ICE picking up illegals in a van, then presenting them to an immigration judge the same day, who then declares them deportable, and ICE deporting them the next day. This is due process.
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I’m really baffled at why this Republican congress has not passed any laws yet to expedite the removal of these people. What are they waiting for?
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Clarissa
Well, I am a Canuck and we have to deport three to four million student visas, your problem is probably ten times that large. My wallet contains a driver’s license which is photo ID plus my Social Insurance Number card, plus my Birth Certificate. I can thus prove to any agent, federal or provincial, that I am a Canadian citizen. I am sure that Americans have the equivalent cards or can get them…unless they are illegal aliens.
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*Showing up to fly on an airplane without an ID.*
*Agent at the check-in counter refuses to let me fly*
“Where’s my due process?? Please ground this plane until the Supreme Court rules on this!”
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Got my Canadian voting card. Says – bring the card, the Id and a proof of address to vote…
anyway, wanted to ask, since some things about US are incomprehensible to me even after living in the US for six years (not recently)… Maybe because I did not attempt to vote while not being a citizen… How realistic is it for non-citizens to vote? Is it true that literally no ID is required, or the issue is that widespread IDs such as drivers licenses are given to everybody and do not serve as proof of citizenship? But even with driver’s licenses – in 2000 in order to get a driver’s license I needed to have a SSN and to get that I needed to show up at the local SS administration and show them my passport and my visa, i.e. to prove that I am legal. If the issue is with poor citizens not having time and money to prove their citizenship – why not solve the problem once and for all by government issuing voter’s IDs for free? Is that considered “too socialist” or “government getting too big”?
In Canada, what I find completely baffling is that now that the government has decided to do something about the numbers of international student being too large it treats proper universities exactly the same as fake “business colleges”… How come the fake college lobby is as strong or stronger than the lobby of the real universities?
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In Illinois it’s illegal to ask for ID when you vote. Instead, you have to say your address, and people look it up in a long hand-written scroll. Then they compare your signature with the one they have on file. Which means, don’t forget how you signed back when you registered to vote.
This is all very weird and very outdated.
The problem is,even if ID is required, twenty states made it legal to give driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. Illinois is one of them. So what document do you require as as proof of citizenship?
Here’s an article on how this was introduced in Illinois: https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.26672.html
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Well, you are a legal immigrant, what certificates or cards were you issued?
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in case you are asking me – a citizenship certificate (which I do not have to carry around; only had to show it to get the first passport) and then the passport.
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—and people look it up in a long hand-written scroll.
So the existence of the scroll implies the existence of some sort of voter’s registry. What happens when someone is not in that scroll?
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There’s supposed to be a judge on site who deals with these cases. It works in tiny communities where everybody knows each other. But in a large precinct in a big city, it’s bound to be a mess. Especially since mail ballots became ubiquitous. A person shows up and wants to vote but the scroll says she requested and was sent a mail ballot. She says she has no idea about any paper ballot and wants to vote. What do you do? Deprive her of her right to vote? Investigate what happened to the paper ballot? I witnessed exactly this scenario during the last election.
This system was created for a very different kind of population and a different lifestyle.
Speaking of elections, when is the Canadian election? I keep hearing it’s soon but when?
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28th…
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Soon enough! At least in Canada it all happens fast. I’m very tired of the grueling unending American electioneering.
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Actually, any polling clerk can identify you as a citizen but the deputy polling supervisor has to agree. Your information is written down then crossed out so you cannot come back and vote there again. But I suppose in theory you might be able to do it again in another polling site.
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LOL, I should have said that any polling clerk that recognizes you and thus can identify you as a fellow citizen ;-D
I should also point out that things have changed and not for the better. There now appears to be forty eleven really, really important personnel running around slowing things down. Only senior personnel must be citizens. Although your regular polling station is open and running, if you wish to advance vote you are directed to vote in a specific poll, in my case about a half an hour away. Pissed off, you bet!
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