Ironically, the whole “Germany is Europe’s disease” message got so thoroughly internalized in the german society post-WWII that it’s ended up causing a bunch of the country’s issues today.
You are absolutely right, Stringer Bell, if the meaning is “We Germans must show the world that we are exemplary citizens and that we’ll never go back to the bad old days – or ways.” Other bad examples of this type of mindset – we must show the world how good we are – are Canadians and Swedes.
Same as with “Once a Commie, always a bastard”, once a German, always a German. There is no good German, categorically speaking, with regard to political life in Europe. I hope I have made myself clear.
My take is that Germans have no ‘off’ button and no ‘let’s change course’ button and no ‘let’s tone things down a bit button’ and once they set on a course it’s hard to stop them until they hit a wall (or even then….).
Current favored policies of the political establishment are either not attainable or not sustainable and nobody wants to bell the cat (as it were) so they just keep getting worse.
“Other bad examples of this type of mindset – we must show the world how good we are – are Canadians and Swedes.”
LOL, yeah, true, Canadians are typically kind and polite, until we aren’t. And anybody that has ever watched a hockey game should have figured that out ;-D
Oh gosh, being reprimanded by Cliff Arroyo is a serious matter. I’ll do my best to illustrate my meaning.
Germany is the reason we have the euro and, even further back, the reason why we have the European Union, which is a strange beast – an animal with a German body and a French head, the other nationalities being just disposable appendages – as is only to be expected by the union of such strange bedfellows.
Now, as I deeply despise the European Union for being one of the main causes of Europe’s cultural decay and fall into political irrelevance, you should understand that if it were not for Germany and the Germans we’d have no EU and we’d all be happier as a result. Or, we might still have a EU, but one without Germany, and we’d all be happier as a result.
“why we have the European Union, which is a strange beast”
Correct me if I’m mistaken but the whole idea of the EU originally was to create ties between Germany and other European countries that would make starting a war and/or invading its neighbors too costly to consider. I don’t think they came and said that out loud but it seemed to be the idea.
On the whole I’d say it’s worthwhile though questions of mission creep and overreach are never far away. As for the stupid Euro… I wish that non-currency would just go away already, by the time it was introduced the problems it had been created to fix were longer issues (roughly: fluctuating exchange rates were too complex for accountants to handle but we had computers that could deal with that by the time it was actually introduced).
I have a lot of affection for a lot of German culture but the current German political establishment is… in a word… hopeless. Totally committed to policies that don’t work, can’t work and will never work. If I hear one more German justify their stupid decision to give up nuclear powers with ‘Aber Erneubare Energien!’ I’m liable to lose all control.
And this report against the AfD (whom I despise for their ties with russia) does nothing to actually fix anything…..
The idea was – to put it simplistically but not incorrectly – to yoke Germany into a system designed AND led by the French bureaucracy (with its historically formidable tradition of legalistic efficacy) in such a way that did not make the Germans feel that they were subjugated to the French, so as not to repeat the mistake made at the end of World War I with its punitive charges. It was a legal form of fictional independence of which Germans at that time were well aware. As Germany returned to its previous role as Europe’s economic and industrial powerhouse, German politicians, left and right, became once again amnesiac. The collapse of the Soviet Union did the rest. And here we are.
As for the rigmarole of Vergangenheitsbewältigung, the idea of overcoming the past (though in German the word Bewältigung suggests a distinct element of struggle in the process), that’s a whole other story and is once again a typically German exercise in virtue-signalling self-abuse which I, as an Italian Jew, both reject and understand quite well.
In any case, since you are in Poland, just ask any reasonably well-informed Pole what is the definition of a good German. I rest my case.
The main thing I’d add now is that the leadership of PiS hates Germany more than anything and insists that the EU wants to turn Poland into a province of Germany (and a bunch of other crazy stuff) which is one reason they don’t have much support among the better educated and/or younger voters.
This is terrible , but I’m not surprised. Germany is Europe’s disease.
LikeLike
Ironically, the whole “Germany is Europe’s disease” message got so thoroughly internalized in the german society post-WWII that it’s ended up causing a bunch of the country’s issues today.
LikeLike
You are absolutely right, Stringer Bell, if the meaning is “We Germans must show the world that we are exemplary citizens and that we’ll never go back to the bad old days – or ways.” Other bad examples of this type of mindset – we must show the world how good we are – are Canadians and Swedes.
Same as with “Once a Commie, always a bastard”, once a German, always a German. There is no good German, categorically speaking, with regard to political life in Europe. I hope I have made myself clear.
LikeLike
“I hope I have made myself clear”
You have not!
My take is that Germans have no ‘off’ button and no ‘let’s change course’ button and no ‘let’s tone things down a bit button’ and once they set on a course it’s hard to stop them until they hit a wall (or even then….).
Current favored policies of the political establishment are either not attainable or not sustainable and nobody wants to bell the cat (as it were) so they just keep getting worse.
LikeLiked by 1 person
Avi
“Other bad examples of this type of mindset – we must show the world how good we are – are Canadians and Swedes.”
LOL, yeah, true, Canadians are typically kind and polite, until we aren’t. And anybody that has ever watched a hockey game should have figured that out ;-D
LikeLike
Oh gosh, being reprimanded by Cliff Arroyo is a serious matter. I’ll do my best to illustrate my meaning.
Germany is the reason we have the euro and, even further back, the reason why we have the European Union, which is a strange beast – an animal with a German body and a French head, the other nationalities being just disposable appendages – as is only to be expected by the union of such strange bedfellows.
Now, as I deeply despise the European Union for being one of the main causes of Europe’s cultural decay and fall into political irrelevance, you should understand that if it were not for Germany and the Germans we’d have no EU and we’d all be happier as a result. Or, we might still have a EU, but one without Germany, and we’d all be happier as a result.
LikeLiked by 1 person
“why we have the European Union, which is a strange beast”
Correct me if I’m mistaken but the whole idea of the EU originally was to create ties between Germany and other European countries that would make starting a war and/or invading its neighbors too costly to consider. I don’t think they came and said that out loud but it seemed to be the idea.
On the whole I’d say it’s worthwhile though questions of mission creep and overreach are never far away. As for the stupid Euro… I wish that non-currency would just go away already, by the time it was introduced the problems it had been created to fix were longer issues (roughly: fluctuating exchange rates were too complex for accountants to handle but we had computers that could deal with that by the time it was actually introduced).
I have a lot of affection for a lot of German culture but the current German political establishment is… in a word… hopeless. Totally committed to policies that don’t work, can’t work and will never work. If I hear one more German justify their stupid decision to give up nuclear powers with ‘Aber Erneubare Energien!’ I’m liable to lose all control.
And this report against the AfD (whom I despise for their ties with russia) does nothing to actually fix anything…..
LikeLike
@cliff arroyo
The idea was – to put it simplistically but not incorrectly – to yoke Germany into a system designed AND led by the French bureaucracy (with its historically formidable tradition of legalistic efficacy) in such a way that did not make the Germans feel that they were subjugated to the French, so as not to repeat the mistake made at the end of World War I with its punitive charges. It was a legal form of fictional independence of which Germans at that time were well aware. As Germany returned to its previous role as Europe’s economic and industrial powerhouse, German politicians, left and right, became once again amnesiac. The collapse of the Soviet Union did the rest. And here we are.
As for the rigmarole of Vergangenheitsbewältigung, the idea of overcoming the past (though in German the word Bewältigung suggests a distinct element of struggle in the process), that’s a whole other story and is once again a typically German exercise in virtue-signalling self-abuse which I, as an Italian Jew, both reject and understand quite well.
In any case, since you are in Poland, just ask any reasonably well-informed Pole what is the definition of a good German. I rest my case.
LikeLiked by 1 person
“ask any reasonably well-informed Pole”
I discussed that briefly here:
The main thing I’d add now is that the leadership of PiS hates Germany more than anything and insists that the EU wants to turn Poland into a province of Germany (and a bunch of other crazy stuff) which is one reason they don’t have much support among the better educated and/or younger voters.
LikeLike
It’s only “democracy” if the plebs vote correctly
LikeLike