Does anybody understand what’s happening with Ireland? They’ve gone off the deepest of ends but why? Why them specifically?
This is very unfortunate and sad. A formerly proud nation is turning into a frumpy, petty wokescold.
What’s the Deal with Ireland?
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Ireland is what happens when you have the church in cahoots with the government for a long time, with said church being authoritarian and prudish and interfering. Young people start thinking the church is evil and all the stories of corruption, priests raping kids and taking mistresses, the Magdalene laundries and selling children don’t help.
Also, Ireland was seen as a backwards rural country for long that when they became more progressive, they went crazy progressive. I guess they wanted to show that they weren’t a rural backward place that they went totally in the opposite direction, think of how Spain was under Franco and how it is now. The sad part is that the Catholic Church in Ireland is so dysfunctional with all the scandals and how they ruined women’s lives by imprisoning them for having children out of wedlock and either killing or selling these children, maybe the church shouldn’t have been that powerful
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I think you’re spot on. It does sound like the religious and conservative fabric of that country was ripped apart due to those scandals, and now they’re going the opposite way. How can you trust religious figures and such when they were so savage and violated every common sense of decency and respect.
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Actually, Kid, it is the same problem much of the West faces, a self selected elites deliberately ignoring the will of the people. The country faces wage stagnation, increased costs, and a shortage of social services, including housing — while the government allows large numbers of “refugees” from Africa and the Middle East, many of whom not only do not assimilate, but go on the dole, and put Irish girls and women at risk. Riots, sometimes violent, are common everytime such an incident occurs.
And their last election was definitely rigged to the point that a sizeable group of citizens spoiled their ballots, and who were apparently mostly right-centre young males…oh darn, Celtic Groypers ;-D
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It’s textbook at this point. Right wing jews call for wars that destabilize the middle east and send refugees to europe. Left wing jews call for open borders in the name of compassion. Creates instability in europe. Result: “SPEECH LAWS TO PREVENT HATE!”
This is the Irish version of Mayorkas, who you’d know as the head of homeland security and oversaw the largest influx of migrants into america. Also, coincidentally, on the board of Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society.
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All the “noticers” on the online right (and even on this blog) just don’t seem to “notice” the behavior of this one group. You can talk about black iq and crime, indian streetshitting, somali fraud, latino dysfunction. But one group is just off-limits.
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It pains me to say this, as someone who grew up with Jewish kids, has Jewish friends and has no problem with Jewish people, but too many Jews act in ways that piss off normal people. Under normal circumstances, most people would see Israel as a normal country no different from other countries. But because of the outsized influence of Israel on our politics, this causes so many issues and it makes it look as though some Jewish people care more about Israel than the US.
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More american jews serve the IDF than in american armed forces. I think we’re beyond qualifiers like “it makes it look” and “some.”
It’s a fascinating topic. Have you read “The Ordeal of Civility” by John Murray Cuddihy.
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Thanks for the heads up, I’d never heard of that book. But that’s horrifying that so many Americans fought in the IDF, Americans should not fight in a foreign army. I’m an American of Cuban descent and I would never fight in an army in Cuba or even go there, I’m an American, period. Americans should be loyal to their country and not whatever country their ancestors came from
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Shouldn’t be controversial, right? For example, David Brooks, influential NY Times columnist, and HUGE supporter of the Iraq war, argued for a conflict that sent american soldiers to their deaths, while his own son served in the IDF.
Many such cases.
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And speaking of outsized influence.
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https://x.com/i/status/2005710924670234782
Did they dress the same on purpose?
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The one group that is allowed to steal.
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This isn’t a group but one person. He’s deplorable and Trump pardoning him is as well. But there’s no comparison here with the Somalis either in the amount which stands at over 9 billion not with the percentage of the Somali population involved.
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Yeah, but Trump needs to shut the fuck up about scamming Somalis if he’s going to go around pardoning people for running massive scams.
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Hmmm, you do realize that many Africans, including Somalis, still identify themselves by tribe and then by clan — and that is why nothing ever seems to function effectively, it is endless theft and war ;-D
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Right but the question is, who helped them set up these fraud schemes. No way they figured this all out by themselves.
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I think we’ll find out soon based on who votes for or against the January 30th renewal:
https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/2006171886107910603?s=20
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Well, there are some numbers.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-justice-department-charges-98-in-minnesota-fraud-investigation/3784392
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Somali traders have been very successful in SA because their clan based businesses beat out mom and pop stores. A closed community probably also helps with evading detection.
https://www.mba.co.za/infocentrearticle.aspx?s=48&c=5&a=6131
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True. In the US, the Minnesota governor Tim Waltz was clearly very helpful, too.
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Yeah, Kid, the last thing we need is any more f’ng identity politics, the West is unique because it’s based upon every single one of us being individuals.
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A quick sanity check for people who deny the radicalism of the post-war consensus: most ideas we treat as obvious today were believed by almost no one before the mid-20th century. Things like democracy as a universal good, sexual liberty, secular society, racial interchangeability, and strong individualism. These are ideas that 99.9999 % of all humans who ever lived (and most philosophers) rejected.
If you hold these views, that’s fine but if your justification is “everyone believes this” or “it’s common sense” then your worldview is probably propaganda. Because most people in human history didn’t believe these things, and they weren’t common sense.
That’s how you get BTFO’ed. An organized minority will defeat a disorganized majority all day. And that’s literally the story of the west post-WWII.
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Everybody is not only allowed but aggressively encouraged to have a group identity and defend it by any means necessary. Except white people. Most are terrified if it’s mentioned even in passing. Tucker Carlson recently gave a speech saying that white group identity is the worst thing ever. Charles Murray wrote this in his books. There’s a clear consensus: no group identity for whites. Everybody else, though, should absolutely have one.
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The question was not about the West’s current collapsing, the point is what original thought/belief systems developed western civilization. Nor was it a question of our ability to co-operate for both tremendous or terrible goals. And, the latter includes the said “more f’ng identity politics“— the very last thing we need are people deliberately picking fights amongst the centre-right in the West. Further, as hard it may be to believe, there are actually some rather nasty individuals amongst the oatmeal savages ;-D
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Ok, let’s talk about groups.
Hasidic Jews scam welfare in America. Per capita they are the heaviest users of welfare, and their usage is intentional fraud. Over 55% of Hasidic men are unemployed. 63% of Hasidic households live below or near the poverty line, and over 40% receive SNAP benefits.
This thread explains how Kiryas Joel, a notorious Jewish enclave, scams welfare. Of course, this behavior is replicated throughout the different Hasidic communities in New York and New Jersey. Not getting legally married, having 8-10 children, receiving welfare benefits because the husband is unemployed and just studies Torah all day, scamming massive amounts of COVID relief funds, alongside using other grant and entitlement monies.
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No crime sounds good in comparison with 30 years of the worst criminal activity one can think of. This crime ring, for instance began before this century did:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna40073234
I support discontinuing all welfare payments to Hasidic Jews immediately but any comparison between them and Somalis is risible. According to your own link, Hasidic Jews are clean, orderly, non-violent, and build beautiful things. Plus, we all know whose IQ is where between these groups.
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We’re talking about scamming here. There was never a question about who commits more violent crimes.
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I don’t know much about Ireland beyond what you can read in Joyce’s “Ulysses”. I believe that, along with the mass immigration, it became a favorite place for multinational corporations to set up their European head offices, because of very low tax rates. Apart from that, I would suggest comparing what’s happened there to Scotland, which also became very woke.
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“what’s happening with Ireland?”
Extrapolating from some conversations with Irish people over the years and currentish events…. (and adding some heavy duty Central-Eastern European cynicism into the mix):
The Irish prided themselves on the consultative nature of governance. Asking about a planned migrant center in a small town a few years ago i was reassured “the local people will be consulted and listened to and the results will reflect the consensus….”
Again and again I’ve been told that the Irish system is based on government following citizen concerns….
Fast forward and the government stopped listening and built migrant center after migrant center in small towns that did not want them. And the government also began handing out Irish citizenship like candy….
It all came to a head in late 2023 when a migrant from Algeria (leaked information that was not confirmed for well over a month) stabbed three children in Dublin with no apparent motive. Reaction was swift and unmistakable and the chattering classes went into overdrive to call protestors names and insisting the stabber was Irish and not Algerian
The goodthinkers have still not recovered from that (or a number of similar horrible cases) and the government is showing no slightest intention of slowing down the intake of unassimilatable migrants who might be violent.
As it turned out the Algerian stabber had been given Irish citizenship despite never having worked in the country and despite not really knowing English even after twenty years of residence (when he finally made a court appearance he had to have an Arabic interpreter).
The current idea of banning anonymity is clearly about reprisals against those who are not enthusiastic enough about consecutive Irish government policies aimed at making the Irish a minority in their own country…..
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This is very interesting. It’s also quite paradoxical that the Irish fought so hard to preserve their independence and culture from the British only to relinquish it all now for no apparent reason to random Africans. We all see that this is happening but nobody yet found a convincing explanation of why.
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“They’ve (the Irish) gone off the deepest of ends”
I think the 80s and 90s (esp the 90s were the key decades).
For most of its history Ireland was a colony of Britain which was ruthlessly devoted to wiping out anything distinctly Irish (starting with the language and moving on to other cultural expressions). These efforts were largely successful (despite what many Irish say). We are seriously talking about repression that rivals russian repression of Ukrainians (per capita if not in absolute numbers).
Also, for lots of reasons Ireland was a synonym for hard scrabble poverty (thanks to British policies and local features which didn’t help) and a main export of the country was labor in the form of emigrants. there’s a whole category about the pain of having to leave the country for good….
Then in the course of about 20 years that all turned on its head, some smart moves by Irish government made the country an attractive place to do business and before long it had become a favorable desitination for shorter and longer term migration.
This, in the beginning, was a very seductive feeling for many and increased cultural prominence gave rise to a more progressive politics than a country can really allow itself (and remain functional).
Some of the economic model isn’t working as well as it once was but many/most Irish are still trying to be ‘tolerant’ and ‘progressive’ long after it’s clear that well is now dry.
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This is really interesting, thank you. And it does really explain the degree of Irish dedication to this. It makes them feel chic instead of like the descendants of the potato famine.
Thank you, I love this comment.
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“It makes them feel chic instead of like the descendants of the potato famine”
There’s some of the same dynamic going on in Poland now (not nearly to the same extent but it’s unmistakably here). As I’ve mentioned, when I renewed my residence card last time the office dealing with foreigner residence had expanded to over 200 square meters of office space and it was jammed full. Predictably most were ex-soviet types but there were lots from outside Europe as well.
I’m hoping that the threadbare social safety net (and the fact that most people in Poland look at western European migration policy as being deeply insane) will keep things from going too far.
Also, I’ll mention Eurovision, the 1990s Irish string of victories in that silly contest helped make them feel like a major European cultural power (even while they realized how silly that idea was). Going from despised British dependents to European big power (in spirit if not real numbers) helped cement the idea that Ireland needed to do what countries like Germany and France were doing…
Breixt strengthened those feelings too in weird ways that I haven’t worked through yet….
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These are fascinating comments, I love them. I never thought about Ireland closely before but there’s clearly a whole world of mangled, overinflamed national identity there. Very, very interesting.
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“never thought about Ireland closely before”
Some years ago I had an Irish colleague, I was looking at an Irish magazine he had and he said public figures went out of their way in public to sound more liberal than most Irish people really were. The picture that emerged from conversations with him was a very conservative place that was kind of repressed (not so much by religion, if anything the public’s conservatism shaped the church rather than the other way around). He also described a place that was very rough around the edges, on a Christmas trip back home he was mugged (by locals) in the middle of town and he said it was a pretty ordinary occurence…
When his sister visited, apparently her very first words were: “If these Polish girls are supposed to be Catholic then why are their skirts so short?” He said that there was a feeling in Ireland that pants were more modest for women.
This (and some other things) give me the idea of performative progressivism in Irish politics that over the years spiralled out of control.
From what I read there is apparently tremendous anger in the public about migration and other issues (including housing costs) and no feeling in the government that they need to pay attention to that.
I absolutely don’t get the current national obsession with Palestine (parallels with Britain and Ireland don’t match at all) and indifference about the russian invasion of Ukraine…
Weird place, weird people (lots of fun to know in person) but politically nuts…
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