This is why mass deportations in the US failed. This is why a Spanish politician can openly scream on stage that Spanish people must get replaced and receive no pushback. That’s why daily news of third-worlders killing, assaulting and raping Westerners are greeted with indifference at worst and meaningless social media outrage at best. Western people think that occupation is better than war. They believe that resisting makes them bad.
There was a chance for mass deportations here in the US. It was decisively rejected by the population. People prefer occupation to war.
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Americans prefer occupation to civil war, which is why Team Trump held back on using the Presidential war powers to avoid Frozen Fort Sumpter.
A minority composed of illegals, paper- , and Vichy Americans oppose re-migration and deportation. This set intersects with the AINO crew of anarchists which have plagued my country since the 1910s, the which ardently desire civil war.
The rest of America, contra your claims, do support the removal of foreign parasites, as per the effective work of Federal cops outside of wholly enemy-occupied cities, 2 million+ remigrations, and 650k deportations (albeit 350 short of the target).
The above, of course, has nothing to say about existential threats to the Euopean nations’ or Ukraine’s governments’ response to them.
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Americans want happy pill deportations. They don’t want real ones.
This was a nice plan but it failed in view of nobody really wanting it to succeed.
You don’t want mass deportations either if you think that getting the 650,000 to leave after Biden alone brought in at least 10 million is a good result. Even if these numbers were true, they are nothing compared to the size of the problem.
But it’s boring even to talk about it. It’s done and gone. Let’s move on because what a waste of time discussing this fantasy.
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No Kid, don’t give up. The immigration problem did not take place in a single year, and cannot be resolved in a single year. Plus America is not alone in the this: most of the West faces the same disaster; to be blunt, we simply cannot afford a mass invasion of illegal aliens intent upon living on our social services. Yet a significant proportion of our people apparently cannot handle the images that our media deliberately use of deportation — because whether right or left wing, if it bleeds, it will always lead. And remember, the left will always play dirty, don’t be played:
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Again, though, if we’re doing it right, most deportations aren’t going to look like that anyway. It looks like “visa problems” and “no jobs” and getting rid of the welfare, fraud, and NGO support, plus enforcing existing law WRT hiring/renting/insurance, *and* offering people a free trip home.
Without the free money, free stuff, and illegal jobs, most won’t have to be dragged crying out of anywhere.
I’d love to see someone geek out on cell phone data and try to pin down how much of this is already happening. Nobody arrested all those guys hot-bunking in rental houses in my parents’ neighborhood. They went somewhere. Where’d they go? Back home to Honduras, or just to California?
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“a chance for mass deportations here in the US. It was decisively rejected by the population”
Illusion of choice on a grand scale to dupe the public.
Media and government (mostly dems but also some repubs) are working to create the idea that there are two and only two options
one- open borders and never kick anyone out since the right to live in the US is a human right guaranteed by….. never mind it’s just a human right!
two- armed people dragging crying women and children and throwing them in cages….
Anything inbetween is not allowed to be discussed.
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There’s no option that allows for mass deportations without wailing, unhappy people. After the events of the past couple of months, it’s political suicide to even try to deport. Literally zero people came out in support of deportations. It’s done, it’s over. Let’s notice the writing on the wall.
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” no option that allows for mass deportations”
Well… the right is so messed up. Trump is chaotic and unpredictable and says and does dumb things expecting magic to happen and more serious people have no input (or even plans AFAICT). Where are the think tanks with sensible road maps?
Steps needed:
one- stop the flow, secure the borders
two- stop the paper flow (like H1B visas)
three- make sure that anyone convicted of a crime is deported (either immediately after their sentence or they can serve the sentence in their home country).
That’s the low hanging fruit
four is where it gets complicated and you have to decide how unpleasant you want ot make life for those who entered illegally but have jobs and have not committed other crimes… and/or if you want to give them a path to legalize their stay.
Rampant public emotions and cheap political ploys are the death of the mind and of functional politics and its all both sides have now….
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What ICE is doing goes beyond grabbing crying illegal immigrants to send them away. https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2026/02/09/absolute-hell-irish-man-with-valid-us-work-permit-held-by-ice-since-september/
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I told you a long time ago Trump wasn’t going to do any real deportation.
Tell me Clarissa, how many of the business class has gone to jail for hiring illegals? That should tell you everything you need to know.
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This isn’t about Trump. The American people don’t want mass deportations. I’m sure making it about Trump serves some purpose but it’s very far from any existing reality.
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“American people don’t want mass deportations”
So it’s time to refine goals….. or just give up and accept permanent open borders.
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White people will be a minority in both America and Europe.
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“The American people” includes the business elite; that includes Trump, and most of the Republican party as well.
Profits Clarissa, you don’t think of the profits enough.
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Do you want mass deportations?
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You keep repeating this but it makes no sense. What more could americans do other than give the presidency, the house, and the senate to a party that ran exclusively on mass deportations? That trump is fucking incompetent at his job doesn’t mean americans didn’t want him to do the things he was elected to do.
It’s like saying americans wanted hundreds of thousands of children getting their genitals chopped off because that’s what the biden adminstration policies ended up doing. Or americans want males to identify as women in prison and get assigned to women prisons where they end up raping more women.
This is fucking nonsensical. What would it take for you to consider that government actions no longer reflect the will of the people? And haven’t been for decades.
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“Americans don’t want mass deportations”
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Yes, they waved a bunch of pre-made signs two years ago. And then sat back and hoped for Santa.
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Should they suit up in police uniforms and do the deportations themselves?
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They could, for example, support ICE in polls.
Or forget polls. Just support it. Because when you ask if people support mass deportations, the answer is almost invariably “not this way; it’s not necessary to go this far; yes but only for criminals.”
They want happy pill Santa deportations where everybody is happy and nobody is upset.
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Strawman argument. There are no mass deportations taking place! Your argument is invalidated by the simple fact they aren’t even doing mass deportations in friendly red states where people wouldn’t mind non-happy pill non-santa deportations.
You just can’t accept that you got conned by Trump.
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The American people en masse, in all states, don’t want mass deportations. Why would Trump lose political capital and push through something that nobody wants?
I’d be so happy to blame this on Trump. Because blaming it on Trump means there’s hope. But that’s a fantasy. Things are so much worse than “TACO Trump conned everybody again.”
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Again, by the same logic, american people en masse wanted children being transed and male rapists to be assigned to female prisons during the biden administration. Got it.
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People can’t be assed to write some pro-deportation placards and go stand in front of a courthouse for an hour. Their opponents are willing to be outside in the cold for days, get hit, get arrested, get killed. That’s people who want something. It’s funny how they don’t blame their politicians and instead go and do for themselves. It’s also funny how that is what ends up getting results. Every single time.
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We’ve all seen the video of the women at the yoga studio who forced the workers to denounce ICE. Where are the pro-ICE women? Or men. Where is anybody who cares enough to do anything beyond posting online? They aren’t there because they don’t exist. Nothing will improve until we drop the myth that there’s massive support for this that Trump is stupidly ignoring. Yes, Trump is stupid. But there’s nothing to ignore here because nobody is seriously in favor.
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You still haven’t replied to my argument. For the third time: american people en masse wanted children being transed and male rapists to be assigned to female prisons during the biden administration.
This is your theory.
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People boycotted Bud Light over the trans thing. People boycotted Target. Nothing comparable is happening on migration. Nobody is boycotting the anti-ICE Grammies. Nobody is even proposing any concrete action like they did on trans.
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I wonder how the proposed boycott of Bad Bunny’s halftime show went. Does anybody know?
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https://x.com/i/status/2020711882743812400
I rest my case.
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I literally do not know anybody who has watched the Grammies in years, or even cares about the results.
How would we boycott it?
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The contrast between “passively wished for” and “wanted so bad they were ready to die for it” is precisely why progressives always win. They know how to want.
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Clarissa
Just wondering, do you have a solid poll suggesting that Americans do not want lower immigration levels, or are they simply worried about ICE behavior portrayed by some of the media? Hell, even Canada wants lower immigration levels. Are lefty media misleading you and the general population?
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I’m sure they want lower immigration levels. It’s mass deportations that they don’t want. Mass deportations that are not possible without that ICE behavior which bothers them. Which is why they don’t support the behavior. Without which there’s no mass deportations.
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Who’s this “they” though?
The vibe in my social circle is very pro deportations.
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“I’m sure they want lower immigration levels. It’s mass deportations that they don’t want.”
Hmmm, Kid, you know sometimes universal suffrage appears to be a failed experiment ;-D
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Yes, massive support for deportations in red states:
https://x.com/i/status/2020536350852714777
People are in extreme denial.
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comments on that one explain. That’s a locked Dem district. The anomaly is going for Trump. South side of the river from Baton Rouge, about equally black/white, population about 30k, mostly farmland and uninhabited swamp. Has never voted majority R since founding of parish in 1912– even in 2024. It’s just that the D candidate got *even fewer* votes.
I don’t think this district is representative of much of anything, and this is the reason it’s being held up as a big victory by the likes of Krassenstein.
If they had anything better, they’d be crowing about something else, not this.
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It’s magical thinking mentality. Many of the people who do want mass deportations think that it can be done, but not through the sudden appearance of ICE agents and subsequent arrest and detention in a collecting facility where by a due process system of identification and verification it is determined whether the suspect does or does not fulfill the required criteria for legal residence.
Who knows how they expect legal residence requirements to be checked? Or do they think that ICE should send letters to… whom exactly? How do you find out whether someone is an illegal alien? Neither the United States nor any country in common law jurisdictions really has a proper notion of Etat civil, from Napoleon’s times, which means, in those states that do have it, that you cannot do even the most basic things, without producing official documents and/or certificates. I remember when living in London that in order to get a library card it was sufficient proof of identity to show an addressed envelope from a utilities company with a name on it. You could say that it was you and then give any date of birth and any other made up details.
Of course, that’s all very civilised and all that, but totally inappropriate for a functioning modern society where hundreds of millions of people live and can get up to no good. As a result, the amount of fraud going on in the UK and countries like Canada and so on is massive. People from the Third World – and also Central and Eastern Europe, like the Balkans – cannot quite believe their eyes when they see how easy it is to take advantage of the bureaucratic state in the Anglophone West and how gullible so many officials seem to be.
It is true, however, that procedures should be in place where employers who cannot prove that their staff – regularly employed – has furnished valid proof of legal residence, should be made to pay a stiff price. This happens in most European jurisdictions: any employer who knowingly employs illegal aliens and/or does not verify the validity of their residence permits is subject to heavy financial penalties, as is only right in a democratic society founded on the rule of law.
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I’m surrounded by academics who keep saying they want to get published but who never write anything. A consistent result is the intention. What you get is what you want.
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I don’t think weaponized desire always wins.
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Not a single constituency he hasn’t stabbed in the back. Except jews.
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Cut it out, the beef problem is the result of several years of dought-like conditions in cattle country in the USA and now in Canada. Ranchers in both countries reduced their over wintering herds because of increasing costs of fodder, and it will take several years to increase the herds. Trump and the “jews” have sweet bugger all to do with it.
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Ah, so it’s like “look egg prices! The president did that!” by all the people who have never acquainted themselves with USDA bird flu policy.
(eyeroll)
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Who the hell said jews have anything to do with it? I said saying jews are the only constituency trump has delivered for. Feel free to respond to that.
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Stronger Bell you often add good points, but you also clearly have a perpetual hard on against Trump and “the jews” and Israel — now you may not know much about beef production, but Gallego is a Democrat politician in cattle country, and should bloody well know better.
Dry conditions have reduced American production, Canada is now currently facing similar conditions and can no longer help. The cost of beef will be out of the reach of the average citizen if another supply cannot be found — traditionally for both the USA and Canada, that has been Argentina and Australia. The “constituency” involved here is the price of beef, the cost of living of the citizens of both of our countries.
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