Women obtaining an abortion-inducing drug would be required to undergo an ultrasound before and after taking the drug under a bill approved Wednesday by an Indiana Senate committee. . . The bill would require physicians to “schedule a follow-up appointment” two weeks after RU-486 is administered. But that’s not all. Under penalty of criminal and/or civil charges and fines, physicians must “make a reasonable effort to ensure that the pregnant woman returns for the follow-up appointment.” And what constitutes a “reasonable effort”? The bill doesn’t make that entirely clear, though it specifically mentions “recording in the pregnant woman’s medical records the date, and time of the follow-up appointment, a brief description of the efforts by the physician and the physician’s staff to ensure the woman’s return, and the name of the individual who performed the efforts.”
Libertarians, hello? Freedom-lovers of all stripes? Are you there? Are you protesting this blatant violation of the rights of medical patients and their doctors?
This is a governmental intrusion that is a little bit more severe than not being allowed to carry a bazooka in public*, so where are the protests, the freedom marches, the Libertarian outrage? Doctors are being forced by the government to conduct unnecessary medical procedures under the threat of criminal and civil charges. This is nanny state at its worst, so where are our worshipers of liberty?
No, as usual when there is an actual threat of an actual governmental intrusion, not a peep comes from the direction of US Libertarians.
* If you don’t agree, get a neighbor to stick an object of the size of the transvaginal ultrasound in you against the will of both of you. And then repeat the procedure. And now imagine that you can both be fined and / or arrested for choosing not to repeat this exercise.
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Oh god. My state is full of crazy people. I really hope this doesn’t pass. I will be writing an email to my Congress folks.
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I really love Indiana, which is why this is very disappointing.
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I, on the other hand, cannot stand Indiana, because it has such a strong record of enjoying this kind of thing.
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Yes, politically the state is out of the world crazy. I only meant I like the nature. It is the only state I have seen in the Midwest that has beautiful natural scenery. IL, OH, and MO have very poor landscapes.
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I weirdly like the IL landscape, moonlike and meditative. OH and MO are horrible, yes. Where in IN is it beautiful? I have been to Bloomington and South Bend, and I have driven through and around, used to fly into Indianapolis from here and drive into Central IL, did not really find a difference landscape wise from IL — ?
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The only rational explanation for this sort of behavior is that the Libertarians don’t actually consider women as people, who have any rights that could possibly be violated.
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Libertarians have never been noted for standing up for other people (except in the most trivial unmeaningful ways possible).
They also havean irritating tendency to upsweep any particular issue into one of their undoable hobby horses as an excuse to not sully themselves with practical action. In this case they’ll say:
“Oh, it’s terrible, but the real problem is state licensing of doctors. If the state had no power to license doctors they couldn’t pass legilsation like this.”
IME the only time they really are prompted to action is about money.
(nb I actually do have some libertarian leanings but I also recognize that it fails, badly, as a comprehensive political philosophy and a large percentage of real life libertarians seem to be major dickheads).
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“(nb I actually do have some libertarian leanings but I also recognize that it fails, badly, as a comprehensive political philosophy and a large percentage of real life libertarians seem to be major dickheads).”
– I’m the same way. I have a tendency to sway towards genuine Libertarian thought but these immature, childish creatures who call themselves Libertarians that I keep meeting online are not a group I want to join.
” In this case they’ll say:
“Oh, it’s terrible, but the real problem is state licensing of doctors. If the state had no power to license doctors they couldn’t pass legilsation like this.””
– This is EXACTLY why I dislike them. Such vapid, boring, reductive reasoning.
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The religion of glibertarianism simply makes money into God and government into Satan.
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I used to wonder why libertarians were so silent on these issues until I realized that “liberty” in this context is a euphemism for “no taxes.”
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It’s more than that, it’s liberty from any sort of responsibility. Responsibility from others, from society. We had one here last week arguing that he was deprives of his liberty because I was trying to force him to get vaccinated. Freedom from vaccination is one of the most immature ideas I have ever heard. And then the idiot compared vaccination with a forced pregnancy. What can anybody say to people who are so intellectually and psychologically undeveloped that they genuinely don;t see the difference?
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“Freedom from vaccination”? That’s one of the most disturbing things I’ve heard.
How about the freedom not to be killed by a disease you gave someone? Why would anyone want to give a disease to someone who might die from it? Shouldn’t that matter?
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“How about the freedom not to be killed by a disease you gave someone? Why would anyone want to give a disease to someone who might die from it? Shouldn’t that matter?”
– The problem is they don’t carry their thinking through to its logical consequences. And when one tries to explain the consequences to them, they pout and throw tantrums. The capacity to make logical connections and foresee the consequences of your actions is one of the foremost characteristics of a healthy adult psyche. Which is why these folks scare me.
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And one result of the “lower taxes at any cost” ideology is the US’s crumbling infrastructure. 1 to 2 trillion dollars seems to be a ballpark figure for the expense of fixing American infrastructure. If nothing is done, a disaster is almost certainly coming.
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I agree completely. And did you hear about the possible furloughs for federal employees. That will be a total disaster. What a shame to see something like this in such a big and rich country.
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The sequestering is supposed to induce lawmakers to come to a compromise. If there is no compromise, then non-essential services are shut down, government eployees get mandatory unpaid time off, etc.
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Thoroughly unrelated — because, of course US pundits are shallow and never what they present themselves to be — here is piece of Rhodesian war history:
http://www.rhodesia.nl/silence.htm
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It is quite interesting that you are a supporter of extrajudicial assasinations and then go on and on about libertarians.
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Buddy, you need to read more and write less, seriously. Maybe then you will be able to grasp simple texts.
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libertarians are busy protesting the warcrimes of obama
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No, they are busy whining like silly babies that they are.
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This is not what she said.
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This is a no-brainer for anarchists and left libertarians, so this should be the same for right libertarian but they worship the Pauls too much. This should never happen!
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The answer to this is obvious. The Paul Ryans and Ron/Rand Pauls of the world do not believe that women are people. Most libertarians are men. Their concept of liberty is to f*ck, and then abandon the non-person unless for some reason they wish to affirm paternity.
BTW, there are all sorts of anti-vaccine idiots out there. People have forgotten how miraculous these vaccines were when first introduced. I remember getting the Sabin polio vaccine in the first cohort of American children after the initial trial. (This pink sugar cube is medicine???). My mother remembered not being allowed to go to the beach in polio season, and remembered schoolmates who got sick.
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I was vaccinated but a lot of kids were in braces from polio when I was a child. It seemed common in the way wearing glasses is, although of course there were not *that* many.
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A little-recognized fact about the political leaders of the Libertarians: most are either conservative Evangelical Christian activists or conservative (anti-Vatican II) Catholics. Both Ron and Rand Paul are Protestant Biblical literalists. Ryan is a conservative Catholic. All three are opposed to birth control, abortion, and the 2003 abolition of sodomy laws (SCOTUS Lawrence v. Texas).
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“A little-recognized fact about the political leaders of the Libertarians: most are either conservative Evangelical Christian activists or conservative (anti-Vatican II) Catholics. Both Ron and Rand Paul are Protestant Biblical literalists. Ryan is a conservative Catholic. All three are opposed to birth control, abortion, and the 2003 abolition of sodomy laws (SCOTUS Lawrence v. Texas).”
– THIS IS WHAT I KEEP SAYING!!!
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What a shitload of faggots! And they are for “very low taxes”, not for “zero taxes” and they are for “very limited police state government” not for “no government”.
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At his blog, Sully has a copy of an amicus curiae signed by a number of prominent moderate Republicans and other GOPers who support marriage equality.
Notice how that supposed libertarian Ron Paul didn’t sign it.
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“Notice how that supposed libertarian Ron Paul didn’t sign it.”
– I’m sure he has some completely childish excuse.
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