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Rotherham Returns

Please note how naked and transparent is the terrorists’ desire to destroy girls. This is still Rotherham. It’s an endlessly replayed symbolic destruction of a culture’s future. 

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  1. “how naked and transparent is the terrorists’ desire to destroy girls”

    Look how they treat girls in their own cultures…. that should be a red flag.

    It’s an endlessly replayed symbolic destruction of a culture’s future”

    And the culture is largely going along with it because to recognize what’s going on is too psychologically uncomfortable.

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    • “And the culture is largely going along with it because to recognize what’s going on is too psychologically uncomfortable.”

      • Remember that quote from the Dutch novelist from the other day? It feels as if at some level Europeans have internalized the idea of “we are so evil, we don’t deserve to continue into the future.”

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    • el on said:

      cliff, what do you mean by “going along with it”? Analyzing the phenomenon on blogs and newspaper pages will hardly stop terrorists. Police is trying to do its work, but as long as they don’t apply Israeli level of security at public events, some terrorists will sadly succeed.

      And, I thought Europeans started discussing women rights and immigration, have they not?

      \ It feels as if at some level Europeans have internalized the idea of “we are so evil, we don’t deserve to continue into the future.”

      I do not think people on the street believe so. If you ask them, Germans and others will proudly (and rightly) say they live in the best, most successful countries on Earth.

      I do think quite a few people in EU have the hubris problem – the belief in one’s superiority is so strong that they think nothing may seriously hurt them, especially not third world migrants.

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      • “cliff, what do you mean by “going along with it”?”

        • The rape and torture of girls in Rotherham and other places lasted for years, and nobody wanted to pay the slightest attention.

        “I do not think people on the street believe so. If you ask them, Germans and others will proudly (and rightly) say they live in the best, most successful countries on Earth.”

        • Have you tried asking? Because I have, and the result tends to be similar to what I quoted from the Dutch author. “The best, most successful country” is something I can’t even imagine a Western European saying. I can imagine an American saying it but only of s/he votes firmly Republican. 🙂 At international conferences, it’s always a competition between representatives of rich countries denigrating their country as much as possible and people from the 3rd world looking at it all completely stunned.

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        • el on said:

          I was surprised by your answer, but then it clicked. Writers and academics at international conferences are a minority in any society, and hardly represent an average person on the street. If they strongly tend to be Left-Left wing in Israel, often extremely so, I can only imagine what heights they reach coming from much more peaceful societies.

          For instance, ask Germans from small towns, not only Berlin, and I am 100% sure you’ll hear many very different points of view.

          That Dutch author may represent a neurosis of a few in his small circle. Btw, aren’t we confusing between a piece of art and political views of an artist even in his case?

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          • “I was surprised by your answer, but then it clicked. Writers and academics at international conferences are a minority in any society, and hardly represent an average person on the street.”

            • College students are hardly a minority any more.

            “That Dutch author may represent a neurosis of a few in his small circle. Btw, aren’t we confusing between a piece of art and political views of an artist even in his case?”

            • He is a mega bestselling author. If what he said didn’t find a response in his readers, they wouldn’t buy his novels.

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            • el on said:

              \ College students are hardly a minority any more.

              What is the connection?

              College students in Israel tend to be more Right wing than professors and writers, and I remember the experience of your American acquaintance with German students being less enthusiastic than she would’ve liked to help refugees.

              \ He is a mega bestselling author. If what he said didn’t find a response in his readers, they wouldn’t buy his novels.

              I still think most of it is affected role-playing: “we are so good, we even pretend to be modest. Btw, aren’t those poor refugees lucky to escape their horrible countries and reach Europe?”

              The moment somebody truly endangers them and they grasp it, any “we are undeserving to continue living so well” will disappear in a heartbeat.

              O’Henry wrote a funny short story on a somewhat similar topic – “A Cosmopolitan in a Cafe”

              http://www.online-literature.com/o_henry/the-four-million/3/

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              • Rotherham and Co went on and on for years. This wasn’t simply danger. It was reality. And nobody did anything.

                The curious thing about it all is that when you try talking to people about it, there is a very clear discomfort whenever you mention the actual rapists. People immediately push the conversation over to the side of blaming the authorities. I had somebody actually tell me that the authorities were more guilty than the rapists.

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  2. el on said:

    \ Rotherham and Co went on and on for years. This wasn’t simply danger. It was reality.

    It was not reality for the middle classes. The majority has to be truly hurt, not the most vulnerable members of the poor class.

    \ People immediately push the conversation over to the side of blaming the authorities.

    Which people? Americans? European profs at the conferences?

    May be I am wrong, but if your circle is composed of members of specific classes, you are hardly talking with an average “person on the street.”

    The comments I read on English news sites were not afraid to mention the rapists. Of course, one could say that only racist trolls post on those news sites; however, judging from Hebrew sites, what is written there is closer to mainstream than what (certain kinds of) profs and writers will tell you.

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    • The problem is this: if people whisper something in their kitchens but that something never gets into the public discourse, it doesn’t exist. And if for years thousands of girls are raped and tortured and the authorities stubbornly refuse to notice, it can’t be a coincidence. It can only be a symptom. I’m not seeing a lot of eagerness today to point out that yesterday’s act of terror was aimed at girls. Just like the ongoing terror in Rotherham. And it’s not like the public space is closed to anybody but egghead professors. If we don’t talk about shit, it will return, like anything repressed does, in the form of electing Trump or something even worse.

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