Opioids and Kids

From JD Vance’s recent talk:

I was talking with a woman who’s the only licensed youth counselor in that section of Ohio, a very tough job in an area very hard hit. And she was telling me about an eight-year-old kid of hers, an eight-year-old patient, who had become addicted to opioids. Now, the way this kid had become addicted to opioids is that his parents, like a lot of folks in the area, dealt drugs on the side to support their habit, and because they didn’t have a lot of money, they would reward this kid, they would send this kid on drug runs to deliver the drugs. And when he made a successful delivery, they would give him a Vicodin because they didn’t have a whole lot of money laying around, but they had a whole lot of pills laying around.

What I don’t get is why one never hears anybody but conservatives talk about this.

12 thoughts on “Opioids and Kids

      1. It’s trolling to post a link that appears to directly contradict your assertion,”What I don’t get is why one never hears anybody but conservatives talk about this?”
        Ok then.

        I don’t know what I’m supposed to take from your pull quote except those parents are just lower level unsuccessful Sacklers, who should have their kid removed from their home.


        1. Promising to throw money at an issue has nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted. How is any amount of money going to cancel the situation where many people see pills as literally candy? How will it help? There is a whole mentality behind this and it’s a mentality that’s socially generated. You can’t pay to make it go away. I’m so tired of this very liberal belief that any problem can be engineered away by throwing money at it. Schools suck? Throw money at them! Higher education is in trouble? Money! Kids are getting overmedicated? Money, money, money.

          There are things that money can’t reach. I want to talk about those things. I don’t want to talk exclusively about money.


          1. I didn’t say a thing about money.
            But you’ve got to ask, are the Sacklers high on their own supply? If not, why not? If money has nothing to do with it.
            Some money might be necessary, but it isn’t sufficient. obviously.

            By the way, J.D Vance conducts an amazing mis-frame by focusing on the kid in this situation:
            And so, at the tender age of eight, this kid is addicted to a substance with incredibly powerful and long-lasting effects on his young brain. And it occurs to me that folks on the Left will look at a kid like that and say, “Well, if that kid just had better job opportunities and better educational opportunities, that all of his problems would go away.” That strikes me as so naïve, so ignorant of the role of family and community, so ignorant of the role of some individual choice, that despite that kid’s disadvantage, he still has some hope in the world.

            But for the folks on the Right, and I think there’re unfortunately too many of them, who look at that kid and say, “Well, he just needs to exercise some more personal responsibility and he’ll have his fair share of the American dream.” I think that they’re missing something fundamental, something that Edmund Burke would’ve recognized, that the institutional and economic and community dynamics in which we’re raised, they influence us, they influence what’s possible to us, they influence what’s available to us, and they influence how we ultimately exercise that personal responsibility that’s so important.

            It’s not as if the kid is the actor in this situation to focus on, in the way he sets up this anecdote.


            1. You didn’t but that’s all Warren is offering. That’s her super ambitious, detailed plan. That’s her plan for everything. Tax everybody to the gills and create a million new bureaucracies. I’m not interested in that. Many people are and good for them. To me, though, it’s all deeply boring. I have looked at several of her proposals with great care and I believe she’s an idiot. People say she understands the sphere of banking regulation. That very well might be true. But in everything else that I’ve seen, her suggestions sound very dumb. At least, somebody like Buttigieg – despicable as he might be – is not stupid. He’s evil but smart.

              You have no idea how much I want to be mistaken about Warren. What would be better than supporting a female professor? I will very gladly publicly recognize that I’m wrong if I see evidence for it.


              1. Even if you are proven wrong, the last person we want as a nominee is a New England professor, unless our goal is to lose. Although there are worse options than losing; I’d rather lose than win with Buttigieg. That would represent the end of a national Democratic party I can support (although I’d still vote for Ohio Dems.)

                Also, if a Dem wins in 2020, that hurts Dem candidates in the 2022 midterms (and 2026 if we get a two term president), while a second term of Trump means we do well in 2022, which is when Ohio governor is up. If we elect a Dem president, we have no chance of recapturing Ohio governor, and Ohio governor has more impact on my life than a Dem president who probably won’t be able to accomplish much with a Republican Senate. I’m willing to sacrifice that for Bernie, even though logically I shouldn’t, but I’m not sacrificing it for someone I hate. I won’t vote for Trump but I won’t hesitate to abstain.


    1. I think the point is not the focus on the opioid epidemic, but the lack of focus on children affected by it. We hear about adult addicts all the time. We never hear about the kids.


  1. “why one never hears anybody but conservatives talk about this”

    Most economical answer: Sweet, sweet denial. They don’t want to admit that drug usage ever has negative effects (or externalities).


  2. I hear liberals talk about it, just less. Then again, most conservatives aren’t that concerned either. Ohio Republicans done nothing on this issue since the election, they’re too busy trying to ban abortion and raise the gas tax to worry about the concerns of regular people.

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