Refugees and the Future of Feminism in Europe

What bothers me in the discussions of the refugees in Europe is that such an enormous percentage of articles on the subject is written by men. The greatest burden of this demographic shift will be borne by women, and it would make sense to hear out what women have to say about it. Feminist groups don’t seem to be capable of saying anything on the subject, and that’s very disturbing.

Most of the refugees are young men. It is highly unlikely that they are all gay, so it follows that they will be trying to establish contact with local women. (I hope nobody here is stupid enough to believe that having wives or fiancées back home will have any impact on their eagerness to connect with local women.) The ways in which men from third world countries establish contact with women is deeply degrading to women.

As a result of 250 years of massive and heroic efforts on the part of the great Western feminist movement, it has become possible to civilize most of the men in the US, Canada, Australia, and Western Europe and make the lives of women in these areas not horrible. Everywhere else, men treat women in a disgusting, shameful way. Everywhere, people, everywhere. (If anybody wants to start with the idiotic “But American men also”, I direct them to my yesterday’s post on self-pity and then to the exit.)

If a man from, say, the horribly sexist, woman – hating societies of the Russian – speaking or Latin American world is brought to a country of significant feminist advances, he soon learns to control himself and stops trying to insult, grope, beat, grab or slap women in the street. He also finally figures out how not to make himself a nuisance at work with his need loudly to hate women. Eventually, many such men might even learn not to do abuse women inside their houses. Yes, I’m sure that your friend who is a professor of French literature from Brazil was never a sexist. I’m not talking about exceptions, though.

However, when men who grew up in woman – hating cultures are surrounded by a group of similarly woman – hating peers, there is zero incentive for them to change.

As I shared before, I experienced a huge culture shock when I moved from Canada to the US. The only welcome change among all the painful ones was that finally I could leave my apartment without any men ogling, following, pursuing me, trying to get in my face, and treating me like a piece of trash. Back in Montréal, I lived in the midst of a huge Muslim community, and this was my daily reality. Once, for instance, a Syrian man followed me from the university library to my building, angrily insisting that I provide him with oral sex immediately.

I’m hearing that women are already encountering problems when they want to go about their lives without being hassled in Brussels or Marseilles. The tragedy of Rotherham and other similar places is just a preview of how easily all the feminist advances can be erased if enough people decide it’s inconvenient to keep these advances around.

Now would be the time to demand that the governments of European countries explain what they are planning to do to prevent millions of refugees who have zero interest in learning how to see women as human beings from cracking the thin veneer of civilization that prevents Western women from being brutalized by men like their sisters everywhere else are. (And yes, the sisters in question happily advance their own brutalization. That’s their right. Just like it’s my right not to want to join them in their debasement.)

We, the women of developed countries, deserve to hear what will be done to promote our interests. We are half of the population, we work, we pay taxes, we deserve to define the terms of this conversation.

59 thoughts on “Refugees and the Future of Feminism in Europe

  1. Do you realistically expect American feminists to address ANY women’s issues outside the U.S., except to periodically single out Israel (like the U.S., a bastion of white imperialistism) for defending itself against Palestinian terrorists (which isn’t even a remotely a feminist issue)?

    You can’t criticize non-Christian countries (i.e., people of color) for doing anything to the women in their culture — that would be racist!

    Okay, Putin is white and should be fair game . But most American feminists haven’t even heard of Russia.

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      1. I most sincerely want to believe that the problem is all mine and I’m simply failing to meet feminists who are interested in anything but their personal insecurities.

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        1. I’m simply failing to meet feminists who are interested in anything but their personal insecurities

          Oh, don’t even get me started. We have bullshit like the third of whatever wave “choice feminism” where, for example, it’s somehow a feminist statement for an able-bodied woman to not work, but rather to be supported by a man, the same as children. “Choice feminism” seems to be about having the cake and eating it too — reap all the benefits of the decades of feminists movement while also wanting to keep the benefits that patriarchy bestows on obedient women. Only the achievements of the feminist movement are not set in stone and are constantly under attack and getting eroded, and this complacency is both disgusting and dangerous. I am afraid one day I will blink, and abortion will be illegal and I won’t be allowed to vote or own property any more.

          I consider myself a progressive and a feminist, yet I am wholly disappointed in both. So many progressives spend tons of energy policing speech on the web and wringing their hands over perceived slights or the tone of one’s arguments. There is no energy or interest left to look at the real, actual threats to the life and limb of women. Voicing opinions on the ghettoization of immigrants from third-world countries and the real threats to local women that results from it, like you did in the post, will have you labeled something between culturally unenlightened and the enemy of multiculturalism. Many progressives don’t dare think, let alone discuss, that you are scarily right, because we are all supposed to embrace other cultures 100%, regardless how cruel they are to whole groups of people.

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            1. And as she points out the two of you would be condemend by probably 80% of the mainstream feminist / progressive / liberal movement. That portends problems for that broader movement…

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              1. All I can do is keep saying what I need to say, hoping that one day people will get tired of their mellifluous, fake position and get seduced into a greater honesty.

                As a great Russian writer once said, speaking the truth is good and enjoyable. 🙂

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            2. Your post, Clarissa, and the comment above by the progressive feminist, raise a legitimate point, which most people in my part of America refuse to acknowledge, because it is politically incorrect. That is, multiculturalism (or diversity) presents serious practical problems. Not all habits, predilections and customs of every culture are welcome in your personal neighborhood, or mine. We have our own standards, our own customs, and our own rights.

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              1. Are you kidding? White people with traditional views have no legitimate rights — they only have PRIVILEGE!

                There’s a new world a-coming, old man, and you’d better learn to ride the wave, or be swept away with the tsunami.

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  2. Oh, I don’t expect American feminists to say anything about any issue of import. They are entirely weak and useless.

    But I keep hearing that there are powerful feminist groups in Europe. And I keep waiting for them to say something about this. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places and somebody will point me in the right direction. But the possibility to be outside one’s house and not be harassed is a crucial feminist issue. Where are all these people who were passionately arguing here on my blog that hearing “hello” from a man was intolerable harassment? Where are they now all of a sudden? Why do they have nothing to say?

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  3. Thank you, Clarissa, for raising the issue of civilization in general, and specifically, “The ways that men from third world countries establish contact with women is deeply degrading to women.” I was only vaguely aware of the problem before reading your post.

    Regarding the refugee crisis in Europe, I have a suggestion that would satisfy most concerns about future terrorism. The same suggestion could be expanded to address your valid concerns about implications for the safety of European women.

    All refugees should be vetted before being allowed to settle permanently in Europe (or in the U.S. and Canada). But obviously, it’s impossible to know much about the background of each specific refugee. Therefore, I suggest a simple although imperfect solution.

    As a precondition of receiving asylum in a host country, refugees should pass a LIE DETECTOR test promising to disavow any and all violence or terrorist attack. This should include a promise not to participate in such terrorism, AND also a vow to report any suspicions of terrorist planning or activity, even by their own family members. Additionally, they must pledge, subject to the lie detector, to refuse to honor any order by a Moslem authority to conduct jihad against the West.

    The lie detector test could be expanded to include questions to determine each refugee’s willingness to respect women and live by the mores of the host country regarding the rights of women; and to pledge not to harass or abuse women and girls, in public or in private.

    Anyone who passes the lie detector test on all counts could be admitted to asylum. Of course lie detector tests are fallible, so those who fail a first lie detector test should not be immediately deported. They should be detained in a secure facility, where authorities could question them further, administer more detailed lie detector tests, and possibly learn more background information about the individual. But in the end, if a refugee cannot provide persuasive evidence that he will not condone either terrorism or harassment of women, he should be deported.

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    1. Dear Editor (Retired), were you formerly an editor of science-fiction fantasies?

      In my younger days I contributed meaningfully to the human race as a physician and military commander. Now in retirement, I pass my time writing (and occasionally selling) inconsequential science-fiction tales to small-press publications.

      Would you object if I took the bulk of your proposal above and turned it into a dystopian tale of tomorrow, provided that I give you a proper credit line (“idea suggested by ‘your chosen nom de plume'”), below my own credit line as author, along with whatever agreed-upon percentage of the (invariably) token profit that your idea/my fictional version will earn?

      This is a serious proposal, not sarcasm. I think that I may be come up with a publishable fantasy from your ideas, if you’re interested.

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      1. @ Driedel, Lie detector technology has been around for a long time, and has been used for all sorts of business and security purposes. A suggestion to use lie detectors doesn’t seem very original or novel, to me, but I can see the possibilities in a dystopian sense. Far as I’m concerned, the sentences I wrote above are in the public domain, unless Clarissa has proprietary rights. I think you’re free to write any kind of fiction you wish involving lie detectors, or anything else. It’s only plagiarism if you copy another author’s work in some detail. If you wish to credit me with the seed of the idea, I’m Bernard John Hayden. No financial compensation required or expected.

        To everyone else: I’m not thrilled with the use of lie detectors under most circumstances. I hesitated to suggest its use in the refugee emergency; however, I reluctantly put forth the lie detector suggestion as an expedient step, only because the refugee situation is . . . umm . . . well . . . a true EMERGENCY, a matter of life and death, in both the short term and the long term. And because I can’t think of any other quick or easy solution.

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        1. @Editor (Retired), well, thanks. Original or not, your suggestion triggered an idea in my head for a dystopian science-fiction tale (and I have sold some fairly silly futuristic stories to small-press magazines that nobody’s ever heard of). So if I ever flesh out your idea into passable fiction, I’ll credit you in the subtitle.

          Don’t worry, I’ll say “suggested by an idea from…,” so nobody will blame you if the story is risible. 🙂

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  4. I’ve got a lot to say about this and will probably

    First, in Europe it feels a little like Soviet propaganda probably felt. The enitre media apparatus of most countries seems geared to a single message: These people must be allowed in!

    There is no talk whatsoever of:
    how many can/should be allowed in,
    vetting them for trivia like are they actually refugees or not,
    how this will be paid for,
    where they’re going to live (most of Europe has a very tight housing market),
    how they’ll be educated,
    what type of work they’ll do,
    etc etc etc

    Meanwhile the vast majority of online comments (and people I see in real life) are aghast and horrified by what’s going on.

    I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!

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    1. “First, in Europe it feels a little like Soviet propaganda probably felt. The enitre media apparatus of most countries seems geared to a single message: These people must be allowed in!”

      • That’s how it looks to me, too. The issues that you list, which are very reasonable, important issues to discuss, are not only avoided but avoided with a religious fervor. Any attempt to raise these questions drives people into something akin to a panic. I have no idea what it is they are so scared of. When I ask, “What kind of work can millions of refugees possibly do in a country like Germany?” everybody looks aghast.

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  5. As I keep saying Feminism in the US is dead. The mainstream movement achieved the great majority of its (ahievable) goals back in the 80s. I still remember seeing some interesting ideas in feminism as late as 1990 or so but that’s it.

    Top minds are no longer drawn to the field and are more interested in things like the post nation state.

    What’s left is a hollow crust of second rate minds involved in third rate ideas like microagressions and structural oppression and privilege and gender identity.

    The best potential for feminism was to figure out how to expand the basic model into other cultures but it was prevented from doing so by other (failed) ideas prevelant in academia at the time that placed too much emphasis on colonialism and the suspension of judgement towards other cultures (not just until they are understood, but…. forever).

    The old model needs to be discarded so that something new can grow.

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    1. “Top minds are no longer drawn to the field and are more interested in things like the post nation state.”

      • I will take it as a reference to myself. 🙂

      “What’s left is a hollow crust of second rate minds involved in third rate ideas like microagressions and structural oppression and privilege and gender identity.”

      • Very well-said.

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  6. The big question is what’s motivating Merkel? The problem was more or less manageable until she started talking smack about how many “refugees” Germany could take in and that she was abandoning the Dublin protocal (lots of luck in re-establishing it).

    Why did she do that?

    Is she responding to cultural inculcation about women being nurturing?

    Trying to atone for the Nazi past (by importing a few hundred thousand probable virulent anti-semites)?

    I’m assuming that this is part of the collapse of the nation state (in one of its homelands).

    Like many other European countries, Germany has a big demographic problem in that Germans have largely stopped reproducing at replacement rates. By itself this might not be a problem, the big challenge in the post scarcity society is how to keep an economy moving with fewer people.

    But the neoliberal PTB in the post nation state are addicted to a model of constant “growth” which requires constant population increase (among other things). Also, in the post nation state peoples are largely fungible goods since the only values that matter are commercial (so if the ‘refugees’ have smart phones and can throw some pidgin English phrases together they’re good to go).

    The fact that they come from very different cultures is also a plus since it will weaken social cohesion and limit people’s ability to organize at the community level without the government’s blessings and encouragement.

    A few (hundred?) housand sexual assaults and lots of person discomfort felt by German women is a perc, an additional benefit in this values system.

    note:
    http://newobserveronline.com/german-girls-must-cover-arms-and-legs-to-appease-syrian-refugees/

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    1. See i think you are onto an insight on how merkel may be thinking: more people are needed for GDP and business growth. I thinkk this is 100% wrong. Our challenge as developed nations is to provide equal enough (not equal, but not grossly unequal) resources to the many humans who are becoming less “econoimically valuable” due to technology. So supporting less people is preferrable in one sense, and particularly having to support less unskilled labor is desirable given the economic realities of a 21st advanced economy.

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      1. “See i think you are onto an insight on how merkel may be thinking: more people are needed for GDP and business growth. ”

        • Unskilled workers in a country that bases its GDP massively on high-tech??? Can you imagine how much it will cost to teach these immigrants even some basic German? Or is anybody laboring under the impression that Germany is in need of a huge number of illiterate (in German), unskilled workers all of a sudden?

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  7. Well, if we want to be politically incorrect, let’s be politically incorrect both ways. 🙂
    First off, let’s admit that so much lamented lack of desire of European women to reproduce is a direct consequence of feminism, among other things. Encouraging women to work, in a situation where success requires the same effort it required from men having a housewife at home – and what else should one expect?
    Or did someone expect that increasing the numbers of the workforce will not result in tougher competition and in the decrease of the price of labor? Perhaps these are the people who voted against their nation-states long ago, maybe not being fully aware of it, not just the nation-states that abandoned the people?.. Maybe the nation-states simply are truly incompatible with progressive worldview?..

    The “whip” was also removed from the equation – the state pays the retirement pensions, after collecting this money from the current taxpayers; one’s own children do not have to support their parents. These are the state-owned retirement systems, combined with life span increase via scientific progress, and the achievements of the labor movement (which all are good things in the progressive worldview), and not just some neo-liberal propaganda stating that any growth is good, that are demanding the population growth.

    I am not saying feminism or worker’s rights or whichever gains progressive movements made are bad and should be reversed. They are good and should stay. But all choices have consequences. By choosing one avenue of development, for very good and enlightened reasons, gender equality, dignity of workers, etc, Westerns societies closed some other doors. One just has to admit it and act accordingly. Otherwise most of the anti-immigrant sentiments sound as a temper tantrum of the society that wanted to have a cake and eat it too.

    Algaonica, where are you? 🙂

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    1. I will answer in a separate post.

      “Algaonica, where are you?”

      • She couldn’t live with my statement that nobody owes to immigrants any understanding of or accommodation of their beliefs and cultural practices. She has a right to that position but I stand by mine.

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      1. I responded to the part about Western societies “choosing gender equality.”

        But this part I don’t understand at all:

        Or did someone expect that increasing the numbers of the workforce will not result in tougher competition and in the decrease of the price of labor? Perhaps these are the people who voted against their nation-states long ago, maybe not being fully aware of it, not just the nation-states that abandoned the people?.. Maybe the nation-states simply are truly incompatible with progressive worldview?..

        If, as you say, labor is cheap and overabundant, then what is the purpose of bringing in millions of unskilled laborers? Logically, the opposite should be true. If male workers in Germany have trouble getting employed because there are many women on the job market, how will this be addressed by bringing in 600,000 more of such male workers?

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        1. I guess it is not understandable because two different things got conflated here, that happened in two different times. First, feminism (not only feminism, also globalization) resulted in depreciation of labor and unwillingness of the Western people to produce enough offspring to support their egalitarian welfare and pension systems. This happened over the last several decades and is not due to any immigrants.
          We all know many Western Europeans who’d rather collect unemployment benefits than do jobs the immigrants do. So the problem of locals competing with the immigrants for the same jobs is largely blown out of proportion. The refugees will play the same role Mexicans are playing in the US. How much do they really threaten the jobs of the middle class? Cheap labor that makes wealthy economies more competitive.
          Still, migrant minimum-wage worker is more useful for the economy in general and for the pot of retirement money in particular than non-existing child of culturally- and racially-appropriate locals.

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          1. “We all know many Western Europeans who’d rather collect unemployment benefits than do jobs the immigrants do.”

            • This was true in 1960s. But today? Everything has been automated and robotized. The number of blue-collar professions is shrinking every day. Not just jobs, but entire professions are dying.

            “The refugees will play the same role Mexicans are playing in the US.”

            • I don’t get this at all. Mexican illegals don’t get a dime in welfare payments. They move in and out of the country as they have done for centuries. The idea that the US government will disburse billions of dollars to give them cash, like Germany is doing is untenable. So where is the similarity?

            “Still, migrant minimum-wage worker is more useful for the economy in general”

            • You and I are living in different realities, seriously. 🙂

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            1. How large numbers of East-European migrant workers, including in the countries with 25% unemployment rate, are explained in your reality? In my reality they are explained naturally – these migrant workers do jobs that the locals consider beneath them. Therefore, the unemployment is not absolute, it is a mismatch between what locals want to be paid and what they are offered.

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              1. Which migrant workers? Prostitutes and small-time criminals? I’m yet to hear of anybody from my country or the neighboring ones going anywhere to work. Not to offend anybody, but an image of a crowd of Ukrainians or Russians somewhere in Spain or France WORKING in large numbers sounds like a bit of a fantasy. I can’t say I saw any anywhere I traveled in Europe. Honestly, I can’t say I ever saw all those working Ukrainians anywhere in my life. I heard endless reports of Russian / Ukrainian prostitutes and their pimps, though.

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              2. Well, here in Italy we have a good share of Eastern European caregivers (all women, of course) for the elderly. 🙂

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              3. Millions of my country people are working as migrant workers in Western Europe, most of them in low-qualification jobs. So Europe does seem to have a need for unqualified workers.

                I can’t imagine that this is why Germany is letting migrants in, however, since people requesting asylum are not allowed to work.

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          2. I know people who’ve given up and just collect the unemployment money. I also know that any actual job (not telemarketing or such shit) will get hundreds of applications.
            Generally, a foreigner who does not know our language needs a specialist skill that’s in demand to land a job, else it will go to a local who has the same skills and knows the language. Learning the language fluently takes time and determination. If you have never studied anything, it’s going to be quite hard. You will not easily pick up the language by just hanging out with locals, because most locals are not interested in you and the ones that are will speak English to you.

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            1. I don’t understand any immigrant who comes to a country without learning the language first. It’s a recipe for marginalization and trauma. Being in an environment where you are illiterate, deaf and mute is very stressful.

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      2. Well, I missed that moment. I guess you are right – nobody owes immigrants any understanding, but this is only a part of the story. The immigrants also do not owe the “owners of the land” any understanding of their temper tantrums caused by owner’s inability to have a cake and eat it too…

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        1. I’m not sure what cake you are referring to.

          But as a double immigrant, I believe that it is absolutely my duty to demonstrate that I will be a good neighbor, will not cost any money, will be law-abiding, will actively respect the language and the culture, etc. And until I do all that, nobody is under any obligation to experience any joy over my arrival or even be mildly welcoming.

          Of course, after I do all these things, if there is still anybody who is curling their lips and getting all “My boat came here before your boat” on me, I feel very justified in demolishing them verbally.

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          1. Here we disagree. I do most of the things you listed out of self-respect, not because I feel I owe them to somebody else just because they were born in that country (the circumstance they have no control over).
            And I must admit I have a problem with wholesale acceptance of “culture” whatever that is. Locals (anywhere) are too prone passing prejudice as “culture” that the newcomers have to adopt.

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            1. I see no shame in admitting that I learned not to throw garbage onto the ground because I could see it wasn’t done in Canada and not out of any self-respect. 🙂

              Besides, I wouldn’t say the immigrants who don’t learn the language, etc are necessarily lacking in the respect of self. The ones I know and who forget to remove their large dionds before heading to pick up their welfare checks seen to hold themselves in highest regard.

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      1. As long as it is appropriate to refer to male wrongdoer as a “man”, it is appropriate to refer to female wrongdoer as a “woman”. She will be an MP from Jobbik in a couple of years…

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        1. I detest it when people post videos without communicating what they want to say with these videos. It takes an effort to watch a video from this app. And then I also have to waste my time on deciphering what the poster is trying to say?

          This is simply disrespectful. And in the context of this post, offensive because, yet again, a woman is supposed to be doing a man’s job because he’s too lazy to figure out what he is thinking.

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          1. The video shows a camerawoman filming a rush of people crossing the border (technically illegally). She trips one man carrying a small child and kind of elbows a young girl rushing past her. There’s a man filming too but he stays out of people’s way.

            Apparently it’s supposed to show that Hungarians are horrible evil fascists or something….

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          2. So how do I add unwelcome images to my blog comments on your website, anyway? (Serious question)

            When I google “how to…,” I’m told that WordPress won’t allow me do that.

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              1. I’ve tried that, and alas, it doesn’t work. So NOBODY (you, everybody else, or me), gets to see the images. There’s got to be a way — other of your commenters are doing it — so I’ll keep trying! 🙂

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    1. @Buschmann:

      Well you please send me a brief a reply below this message telling me how to attach an image (still photo such as a .JPG file) , or a video clip, from my hard drive on to my blog comments on Clarissa’s WordPress blog. (I don’t have a website to send them from — the files I want to attach are on my hard drive.)

      My browser is Google, and I can’t find instructions on the Internet that tell me how to do this. Thanks for your help!!

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  8. Commenting on the embedded link:
    It’s striking that the people who are most likely to need asylum are the least likely to be able to apply for it. After all, who suffers the most from the current conditions and would benefit most from the freedom of movement out in the open that doesn’t exist in Syria and Iraq right now? Women and children (especially girls).
    Where I see a real patriarchal reaction happening is when they find women and girls of their own backgrounds and attempt to force them back into that traditional family structure out of some nostalgia for the past. IME, patriarchal immigrants tend to be on better behavior with locals if they have any interest in contact with the women. It’s a huge complaint I see on certain reddits. Then again, those reddits don’t have refugee posters. I wonder how many of the younger refugee women and children would cooperate with this nostalgia project out of shock and the reality of life back home (where it really isn’t safe to go outside) instead of embracing those freedoms.

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    1. “I wonder how many of the younger refugee women and children would cooperate with this nostalgia project out of shock and the reality of life back home (where it really isn’t safe to go outside) instead of embracing those freedoms.”

      • In my experience, all of them. And it’s not about shock or nostalgia. They sit on the floor shrouded and immobilized all day long because, very simply, that’s what they want to be doing. The rage the shrouded women feel against women like me is intense. Once, a woman from a very patriarchal society who was sitting immobilized all day honestly confessed to me that she was terrified that one day her husband might wonder why she can’t be more like me.

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      1. ” The rage the shrouded women feel against women like me is intense”

        For no good reason that reminds of when feministing tried very tenatively a time or two to suggest that certain muslim and other non-western practices were maybe, just maybe, not completely in line with feminist ideals. The young brave feminists from those countries told them in no uncertain terms to shut up and not criticize the dysfunction in their cultures (I added the dysfunction part). It was hilarious.

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          1. “Oh yes, I love those. Here is one such brave creature.”

            Treading on thin ice….. it’s amazing how much justifications of muslim practices by young progressive muslims seem just like children trying to justify what their abusive parents did to them. You can also find similar tortured reasoning in other religions but not in as concentrated a form.

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  9. I suspect that some of the “young brave feminists from those countries” have their own problems, there’s one which for all their apparent valour some can’t bear to talk about.

    e.g. Egypt has been a civilised country for 5,000 years, yet apparently more than 90% of its women have undergone FGM (according to UNICEF).

    To my way of thinking, that is the ultimate feminist issue, the one which the West’s feminists should be screaming about. There are people in the west who can’t bear to acknowledge its existence, but, yes America, it happens in YOUR country, as well as mine. FGM is instigated in cultures whose loathing of women is so great that they have brainwashed their women into believing not only that FGM is a cultural/religious obligation, but that those women should practice it on their own children.

    We should all find out how to support the women of African and Asian nations and communities who are assaulted and often crippled in this barbaric way. We should do everything we can to stop young girls being mutilated.

    To hell with worry about cultural sensitivity and ‘micro-aggressions!’

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      1. Thanks for your support, Clarissa. I’ve been a feminist for so long, learning about atrocities against women for so long. I hear people whining about minor slights and ‘triggers’ and I realise they are ignorant. They know nothing.
        At a seminar I attended a few years ago, someone said that, in the West today, women have never had it so good and we should do everything we can to help the rest of the world’s women join us in out good fortune, before it’s too late and we slip back into the dark ages. I fear that isn’t happening, the Dark Ages are on their way back.

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  10. “As I shared before, I experienced a huge culture shock when I moved from Canada to the US. The only welcome change among all the painful ones was that finally I could leave my apartment without any men ogling, following, pursuing me, trying to get in my face, and treating me like a piece of trash. Back in Montréal, I lived in the midst of a huge Muslim community, and this was my daily reality. Once, for instance, a Syrian man followed me from the university library to my building, angrily insisting that I provide him with oral sex immediately. ”

    I am sorry that you had to experience that Clarissa. I am angry that women (and many men) will also experience that in the EU. I was in Munich a short while ago. It was an awesome city. While there, I participated in my own bit of ‘street harrasment.’ It was direct but polite and respectful. I would often approach a cute girl – and there were many – and say, ‘Hi I thought you were attractive and wanted to say hello’ Many were open to my advances. I followed it up with a few minutes of ramble. The closest thing that came to ‘groping’ was when the girls themselves would get close enough to where our shoulders and elbows brushed passed one another. If they didn’t want to talk I simply wished them a good day and went about my own business. I realize that these refugees will not be so respectful, and I already consider my advances forward and aggressive by my own standards.

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  11. “Most of the refugees are young men.” <——- SEXIST!!!!!!!

    What does it matter if they are men or women in an equal society; we are all equal!!! Don’t even try to portray that men are abandoning any responsibilities. Men don’t need to fight anymore so than women need to be in the kitchen!!!!!

    Feminism is a fraud – an ‘entitlement’ group and I can only hope the feminists of their societies GET exactly what they PUSH so hard for. Get out of the kitchen and go fight a war – hypocrites!!!

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