It’s All Wrong

Of course, it’s disgusting that Biden, Trudeau, and all the rest of them are hiding their egregious failures and crimes behind the bodies of dead Ukrainians. It makes me want to vomit but I can’t because I don’t eat anymore. (This solved all of the challenges of the Great Lent for me.) I’ll never forget these mealy-mouthed woke bastards for what they did to us. I’m now even angrier at them than before. And don’t even start me on Obama because without him we wouldn’t be here in many different ways.

None of this makes what’s happening in Ukraine “not a war.” None of this excuses the Russians.

This is not a difficult view to hold. It’s proving impossible for some people but I don’t know why. The invasion of Iraq by the US was wrong. The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is wrong. See? Easy.

(I’m not arguing with anybody on this blog. Everybody on here has been amazing, and I’m forever grateful. I’m responding to some painful conversations I’ve had elsewhere. I swear, if I hear once again “but the US invaded Iraq, was that OK?” I have been against that since day 1. I’ve been very outspoken on the subject. I marched, I protested, I spoke out. And the destruction of Libya by Obama was absolutely wrong, too. I’m for peaceful civilians not being slaughtered anywhere. Why is that so hard to process?)

9 thoughts on “It’s All Wrong

    1. A large majority, yes. But not everybody. Today I had to sever contact with somebody I’ve known for 35 years because she thinks it’s funny. We went to grade school together, can you imagine? Lives in Baltimore now.

      You’ve got to lose all humanity to mock somebody whom you’ve known forever when you see she’s in pain.

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  1. Comparing the U.S. going into Iraq with Russia going into Ukraine just strikes me as very absurd. The invasion of Iraq, even if one did support it (which I did at the time but I was much younger and dumber), was not about oppression of a people. It was about getting rid of a very oppressive tyrant (which Saddam Hussein was) who it was claimed was very dangerous (he wasn’t in terms of WMDs it turned out). But the U.S. had no interest in slaughtering or oppressing the peoples of Iraq. In fact, that is why the surge in 2007 worked, because the terrorists were themselves being so oppressive to the Iraqi people.

    The Bush administration wanted to set up a liberal democracy in the country so that the Iraqi people could be free.The problem was that Iraq wasn’t actually a country. The peoples that occupy it have no sense of national unity or nationhood like Ukrainians do. “Iraq” was just a “country” that had been formed by the West after World War I. So when the dictator was toppled, it fell apart and then Al-Qaeda came in to fill the void. The second thing is that liberal democracies are tough to set up. They take time. They aren’t a quick “in-and-out” operation, and that’s WITH people who have a sense of nationhood, let alone where there isn’t any such and then with terrorists trying to screw everything up to boot.

    Whereas with Putin, he is just out to oppress and mass kill Ukrainians if he has to.

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    1. “Comparing the U.S. going into Iraq with Russia going into Ukraine just strikes me as very absurd”

      Welcome to the world of arguing with pro-Putinites! There’s lots more absurdity where that came from…

      Think of it this way. Putin’s Russia is an ‘Informational autocracy’ where controling information is the number one goal of the government – not to achieve other goals, it’s a goal in and of itself. There are some limitations but that’s the main goal of the system – control information.

      But then information isn’t used to try to persuade the citizenry of anything but rather to confuse them and lull them into a state of infantile apathy.

      Abroad, information from Putin’s Russia (whether official or paid trolls or just Putin stans who get their information officially or from paid trolls) is the same – to create confusion and instill fatigue at the idea of arguing with them or against Putin’s policies.

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      1. They repeat a set of the same talking points that never change no matter what new information comes in. In Russia, the official narrative is that not a single civilian building in Ukraine has been hit. It’s clearly baloney but they repeat it ceaselessly. According to the latest polls in Russia, more than 60% of people support the war enthusiastically and 25% more support it less enthusiastically. They know the truth but pretend to themselves that they don’t.

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    2. Absolutely, it’s a false analogy exactly for reasons you say. But many Americans don’t know about these differences. They got burned in Iraq and now are weary of more foreign engagement. I get it but as you say, it’s a result of ignorance and not seeing the obvious differences in these situations.

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  2. It’s called whataboutism, and everyone does it. I’m not claiming I have not, but you’ve done it yourself on this blog when I’d criticize Trump and you’d respond with references to negative things Obama and the Clintons have done instead of addressing the matter.

    And the above is, of course, negligible, compared to what is happening right now. It’s just heartbreaking. I hope the world doesn’t get bored and move on, and I hope Western governments and corporations continue standing with Ukraine despite forgoing some profit. It’s easy to unite around Ukraine now when the horrors are fresh in our eyes, but it’ll be harder when we start feeling the economic impact, and we will because of how interconnected the world is.

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