Is this the beginning of the end of the nation state?
Imagine a world where your virtual self is just as important as your physical location. Well it may not be far away. For about AU$70 and a thumbprint you can now become an e-resident of Estonia. It’s the first country in the world to offer what it calls a digital identity to foreigners. Some people say it may be the beginning of the end of the nation state.
Remember where you heard it first, though.
Thank you, n8chz, for the link.
Is the following post also connected to post nation state since it attempts to destroy national mythology, or just to a very old nation state discourse? To neither?
If you disagree with her, why?
It’s kind of strange: I believe the facts she states, but I can’t agree with the conclusion she proposes. May be, I am influenced by living in a very young nation state. May be, I feel so since the myth of the “founding fathers” seems to be positive / constructive (?). I mean, one can adopt f.e. their value of separation between church and state and “their” values of equality for everybody (including women and blacks), AND fight for the preservation of those values. In contrast, the discourse “Settlers of color, these are the rightful founders” seems to lead only to white half self-flagellation and half self flattery.
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This was written by an unhealthy person. I wouldn’t dwell on it other than to remark that there is much untreated dysfunction.
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\\ This was written by an unhealthy person
I don’t know if it matters, but, in case you missed, the post was written by a child of Muslim immigrants to USA, who is Muslim and is seen in US culture as not-white.
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Everybody here is a child of immigrants but most people are highly functioning.
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P.S. I see now, she is a nonwhite immigrant and I think college student just discovering a lot of things. All she is really saying is that she does not want to join the reactionary – white US identity, be a different kind of American, etc. Which is great; lots of immigrants have done and been that. She is just trying to work it out. Yes there is an “America” that isn’t native and is also not the none of the conquistadores, colonists, and slave owners. There is a lot more to say about what that America is and does and has done. Again, she is just trying to work it all out for herself.
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“And the “natives: were far from the enlightened feminist peoples she is describing. I blame Howard Zinn for this ridiculous idea of “feminist Aztecs” that I now have to battle in every other student essay.”
Yup. This is where the modern types show–I mean actively demonstrate–that they are unfit to rule and should not be trusted even as casual companions. If they have this childish black and white thinking about good and evil, they need to grow the fuck uip.
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“If they have this childish black and white thinking about good and evil, they need to grow the fuck uip.”
– Exactly. I find this so annoying. People are so proud of their “the indigenous were saints and the conquerors were evil.” They seem genuinely convinced that this position is far superior to “the indigenous were evil and the conquerors were saints.”
The discussions about the “feminist” indigenous peoples of the Americas annoy me especially badly because I actually studied history and actually read contemporary sources. There is no need to remain in ignorance and repeat stupid blabber. One can easily educate oneself before saying stupid things.
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Immature people need to pass through an idealistic phase. It’s unfortunate that such a phase is solidified in ideology for many people.
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El, she is confused on history. Founding fathers in US means those who founded the nation state — not those who founded the colony. The Spanish word for founding father (of nation) is prócer. What she says about evils of colonization is of course true, and it is also the case that some founding fathers were direct descendants of the original conquerors and were slave owners etc. But founding fathers, framers of Constitution, etc., were working with 18th century ideas of liberty. Again: the new nations did still go on to colonize more native territory and so on, and the 18th century discourses on liberty and rights really only applied to white men. Settlers of color as real founders, I am not impressed with this idea at all … or do not understand it. The idea of a “real founder” is fraught with problems, anyway. Again, in a technical sense the term founders means those who framed the Constitutions of the new nation states, in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Not Columbus.
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And the “natives: were far from the enlightened feminist peoples she is describing. I blame Howard Zinn for this ridiculous idea of “feminist Aztecs” that I now have to battle in every other student essay.
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This is actually interesting to me because I’d be interested in banking in Estonia, provided that I don’t have to convert anything to the Estonian kroon.
That would mean I’d also need to invest in a large wheelbarrow (for deposits) and a smaller wheelbarrow (for withdrawals) … 🙂
“… pounds, dollars … millionaire!”
“I’ve seen the future, I can’t afford it, tell you the truth someone just bought it …”
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I thought Estonia switched over completely to the Euro in 2011?
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I’m not sure whether the EEK still exists in an SDR form or not — that’s how most of the Eurozone currencies were converted originally, by associating each currency with a certain number of units of a transitional SDR.
Getting forced back into a lower-valued SDR post-EU would be like being given that small wheelbarrow as an anti-birthday present …
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Charming and fascinating. I am trying to figure out exactly what the difference is between this and offshoring… but I think it would be fun. Residency in another country at last … I wish it would lead to physical residency …
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Here is some recent nationalist chatter:
…..Frenchmen were involved in some successful actions during February and early March 1978. Their oppressive treatment of the black villagers they encountered made them very unpopular in the operational area. Following a series of disasters for the company during the latter part of its second tour, including two friendly fire incidents and several fatalities, it was disbanded on 13 May 1978. A nucleus of men from the unit, led by Bob Denard, executed a coup d’état in the Comoros on the same day, supported by the French, Rhodesian and South African governments.
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John Steele I never knew about these Frenchmen, thanks Sandy.
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Nigel Dickinson Corresponds to what I’ve heard from people who were there, and my own overall experience of French forces in general. All mouth and no trousers. Including the Foreign Legion.
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Christopher Garland Had an interesting time with a Major from this crowd late 1979 or early 1980. He did not stay long with us.
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Nigel Dickinson When you listen to what the Frenchmen concerned say – I met a couple in Paris years ago by chance – Rhodesia would have fallen without them. Makes you wonder how anyone managed before they arrived…
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Jon Milner two were hung for a Karoi murder.
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Paul Kirk Shit…. What were the brass thinking…. Recruiting frogs as soldiers. Dear God, was everyone drunk?
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Paul Kirk The French army will fight to the last British soldier…..
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Ian Burnett This reminded me of an old joke.
What is the difference between a Frenchman and toast?
You can make soldiers out of toast.
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Jon Milner Their arrival appears to have be sanctioned by PKvB. Big mistake and poor judgement, but I guess we were desperate for cannon fodder.
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Clarissa… What is “untreated,” “highly dysfunctional,” and “unhealthy” about this blogger?
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People, please give the quotes you are responding to . I have no way of remembering who “this blogger”, discussed a long time ago, is. If you want me to answer, ask a clear question. Remember that I don’t see discussions the way you do. I see all comments in strict chronological order.
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Earlier in this thread, you’ve referred to thefatalfeminist as “untreated”, “highly dysfunctional” and “unhealthy”, which is probably what Rooted In Being was asking about.
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This scary and weird blogger offers a very strange rant where s/he confuses the United States and Mexico, American Founding Fathers with Spanish conquistadors, Aztecs with North American indigenous peoples, etc. It’s a strange and meaningless jumble of unconnected facts that are all dumped together in a crazy mix with the only purpose of transmitting the vague sense of the blogger’s ill-being. Not a single sentence in the post makes sense historically. It’s all a fantasy, and what a weird one.
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I don’t read that she is confusing Aztecs and American Indian peoples, nor confusing the States and Mexico, nor do I find her post “strange” and meaningless. What about this post conveys an “ill-being?” You talk like you’ve been involved in therapy, am I correct in that estimation? You appear to be projecting your own shit onto this person, scapegoating even – with the other person who brought this blogger up, “el.”
Why not go to The Fatal Feminist’s blog and engage in a discussion, or is this a passive aggressive attempt at feeling smart and superior? You’re sound like a bully, not an intellectual. What’s the point of being in the intellectual atmosphere if you don’t know how to be one?
The assumptions being made in this thread about another human being’s health and well-being, based off of a blog post that conveys none of that – says a lot about you, not the blogger you appear to be throwing up on.
Let’s take it back to your accusations and personal attacks:
1. What do you see “untreated?” What would you diagnose this blogger with? What is your suggested treatment for this person? Let’s forget the fact that it is completely and utterly professionally unethical to even throw these terms around in such a nonchalant, bullying fashion. How do you perceive her to be functioning in her day to day life? What GAF score would you give her (I’m still working on transitioning to the DSM 5)? Is she inpatient or outpatient? What therapy approach would you suggest for this untreated, mentally ill human being?
2. Which part of The Fatal Feminist’s Post tells you this blogger is an unhealthy human being? Tell me how she is personally unhealthy.
3. Where does the specific dysfunction of this human being stick out to you?
4. What part of her post made you afraid of her? You said she is “scary and weird.” What do you fear about her?
Let’s consider this a case staffing, since you talk like you know what that is.
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Rootedinbeing: you are boring. Go away.
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I think the blogger in question is trying to resolve a lot of cognitive dissonance (as well as just plain not liking white people which is why she tries to project non-whiteness onto anything vaguely positive).
She’s dealing with the strain of trying to prove to herself that Islam is not patriarchal and wanting the goodies of living in the US without being associated with its historical burdens of guilt and the blog is self-medication, working shit out (harmless as along as no one takes it seriously).
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That’s a very good analysis. It’s much better than what the post deserves. 🙂
Of course, it’s better for unhealthy people to sublimate into writing, that’s true.
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And I’m really wondering what majority muslim country the US colonized….
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